Reporter Bianca Giaever brings us a story of forgiveness that's nearly impossible to comprehend -- even for the man at the center of it, an octogenarian named Hector Black.
Hector and Bianca
while forgiveness is the main thing in defusing resentments which fuel addictions and depression, in this case, there are traces of such self- and other-deception in the addict/murderer that I fear it's contagious to dear kind Hector, seeing more than the best in others and "being" what he would have preferred (or imagined)existed in the other. This has been my own fatal flaw. Men have been forgiving themselves through their Male Deity for ages, e.g.. cruel crimes of abandoning and lying about, disowning and ignoring, -- disrespecting a good mother, however resented by former husbands who moved on to other women. We love all our children, forever. Society must help us protect them from their self-serving lies.
I find this story disgusting. I am glad radiolab was fair about presenting it. I would NOT want Hector as my neighbor, nor would I trust him with my kids. I think I understand him. His forgiveness of Ivan is similar to Stockholm Syndrome. Perhaps he feels that there is no circumstances in which he should hate. I disagree. We have all of our emotions for a reason. Without retribution, society is worthless. Apparently, Hector is unable to face evil. That is a flaw, not a strength. All that is necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to look away. Does it show respect for human life, or disrespect, to do what Hector did? I don't want to live where "i'm ok, you're ok (no matter what you've done)" is the accepted norm.
Hector, hearing this piece, I think Patricia would approve of your means of grieving her loss and your healing of both yourself and Ivan.
Thank you so much for sharing Hector Black's story with all of us. I was thrilled to hear him because I knew him and his family briefly in Atlanta in the 1960s. Leaders at Quaker House asked me, then a student at Agnes Scott College, if I would go to the Black's house to play with their three daughters. Hector and Susie opened my eyes to a way of life and service to people that I had not experienced in my life of privilege. I had often wondered what happened to Hector and Susie and their family, so thank you for sharing the tragic but very inspiring story I heard last night.
This whole episode was absolutely fascinating. It makes me wonder if there's a better way of dealing with crime than what we have. This is both a painful and a beautiful situation; to befriend the man who killed your daughter. By accepting this, Hector, you have created something powerful and inspiring.
This was the most astounding radio I've ever heard.
I listen to RadioLab whilst doing mundane chores, i.e., cleaning, cooking, exercising. This segment completely arrested me. There I was, standing like a zombie: wide-eyed, silent, mouth open, with the vacuum cleaner in hand and whirring away, just ....listening.
Keep up the good lads.
This segment left me speechless. Thank you RadioLab. And Hector, I really am in awe of the generosity of your spirit. I learnt a lot from your story. Thank you.
Thank you for your story. I am very inspired by your words and character. The power of love and forgiveness to heal is amazing.
This is a very moving story. I am happy to have been able to hear it. The potential of the human heart for good - even in the most terrible of circumstances - is truly limitless.
I volunteer inside a maximum security prison, working with men to use the arts as a tool for rehabilitation. It helps to improve cognitive skills, critical thinking, reading comprehension, cultivate a sense of responsibility, an understanding of teamwork and to develop empathy. I was enormously moved by Hector's ability to begin and then continue a conversation with the man who took his daughter's life. This story reaffirms for me what I see as I engage with the men in my program: that forgiveness, acceptance of responsibility, growth, discovery and rehabilitation are often possible, even when the crimes have been heinous.
You really are an inspiration and your story is truly touching and powerful. I sat in awe of you for a good long while and then went home and shared this amazing story of forgiveness with my family. Thank you much for your courage and strength and kindness!!
Hector's actions are truly amazing. I could never be that strong of a man.
This is very moving, and gets to some spiritual truth that only makes sense when lived. If you do another program on forgiveness, you might think about this chapter in my story:http://christopherbaer.blogspot.com/2011/02/justice-and-closure.html
Todd J. Beckett
Thank you, Hector. Thank you for such an incredible story of the power of forgiveness and compassion.
I am deeply moved and inspired.
KG: You've misread this segment as badly as Bob Dole misread <i>Trainspotting</i> when he complained that the movie glorified heroine use because the protagonists make some glib rationalization concerning their chosen lifestyle, before a charming encounter with "the worst toilet in Scotland" and the death of their infant Dawn due to protracted neglect, one of the hardest scenes to watch in all of movie history.
RadioLab offered you two invitations to "take a pass" on the graphic description. Having failed to heed this warning (do you know yourself at all?) you would have them neuter this profound story because you're squeamish about the human capacity for violence the same way the Victorians were squeamish about natural biological functions?
Some of us choose to confront the daemons of the human condition by facing them, not by running away. I can't say I found <i>Darwin's Nightmare</i>, <i>Bus 174</i>, <i>Hotel Rwanda</i>, <i>Grave Of The Fireflies</i> or Dan Carlin's <i>Ghosts of the Ostfront</i> pleasant experiences. The last of these covers the rape of Berlin, which was 100,000 times worse than this episode, except for Stalin's poignant observation that "If only one man dies of hunger, that is a tragedy. If millions die, that's only statistics." Despite their grim content, each of these experiences deepened my humanity.
I half expected to find more comments here, but I guess I was foolish. There's no way to put a trite spin on this story. That alone eliminates 90% of the people one encounters in most comment threads. I can only say I admire Hector for charting his own path in a time of inner crisis and for not falling into a caricature of anguish and vengeance, and finding grace in its most perplexing form by such an improbable route. Yes, "grace" is the right word, out there far beyond the extremity of human comprehension.
I'll venture one further observation where the trite fears to tread. Hector's inscrutable courage makes the very difficult <i>Breaking the Waves</i> a better movie. I'm not religious, but this film challenged me. If after another twenty years I'm masochistic enough to watch it again, when the savage bell peals (to crib a phrase from Ebert's review), I'll think back to Hector and his daughter, and not Bess.
Thank you, RadioLab, for this superb segment.
Thank you, Hector, for your willingness to share this story. Your acts of unmitigated kindness are truly inspiring. Many blessings to you and your family.
In gratitude, Jill
I have cried like a little boy listening to this ...
Forgiveness is way more powerful vendetta than punishment or blame. Living with crime and knowledge that one is still accepted must doubly hurt.
Thanks for this great story ....
I have not been able to sleep since your podcast on "Blame."
I can't get the image of that poor woman being strangled out of my head. You may have thought the episode was about forgiveness, but for many of your audience members, what will be remembered is the horribly disturbing act.
I really thought the violent description was uncalled for and contributes to a world that hurts women. If you listen to podcasts in the car as I do it is impossible to change the episode or fast forward.
I have enjoyed and contributed $ to Radiolab every year, but will NOT be sending another contribution. I want to contribute to programs that try to help make the world better, not those who use violence to get ratings from the young male audience.
It's too bad. You had many good shows, but I will never trust you again.
Your comments mean a great deal to me. Thank you. I don't see myself as a hero, I'm not especially strong. That's not me trying to be humble. As some of you said, it is a mystical experience - something coming from beyond: call it "grace" or whatever. I am just the instrument through which it happened. It is painful to tell the story, but that is nothing, when I know hearts have been touched. That helps me to continue. And so again, Thank You. Hector
Beautiful. This story moved me in such a deep and wonderful way. Hector Black is a superhero.
Thank you for giving Hector a chance to tell his story. Many years ago I heard this story or another one like it. I remembered a story where the distraught parents whose only child who was raped and murdered, forgave her murderer. Not for him, but for themselves. They told him that he had taken their only child,he owed them a replacement, and he was it. The story proceeded much the way Hector's did, but in the one I heard, the man was paroled and they brought him home. I am so thankful to now know that this kind of forgiveness is possible and brought such a positive change in both the forgiver and the forgiven.
Thank you Radiolab for this story. It was a profound experience to hear this story.
What a beautiful testament to the power of forgiveness. I love this man.
Bianca, thank you. What a powerful piece. I was in tears.
I don't believe that I will ever hear a more compelling story in my life.
Thanks so for airing Hector Black's story. I remember hearing it years ago on StoryCorps but as a much shorter version. Inspired me to go back and look it up.
Grateful that Radiolab brought us a longer, fuller piece about this truly amazing human being.
Thank you for this powerful story...it was difficult to hear--but an honor to hear from this man who has lived through so much. Something about hearing stories of people who have lived through a nightmare and yet have experienced redemption is both unsettling and incredibly hopeful. Made me think of an amazing documentary I saw years ago called As We Forgive, which took a look at what I can only call the 'forgiveness/reconciliation movement' in Rwanda 10 years after the genocide, and followed a number of specific individuals who came to forgive the people who killed their family member--and developed a friendship with the guilty person. For some it was a choice they made and then continued to make, for one woman I remember, it was a long process of emotional struggle and even restitution...but I recently saw a follow-up on the story and was amazed to see how these relationships last and grow into. I've come to the conclusion that true forgiveness has to be otherworldly--you can make a choice, but I don't think that power to truly forgive is something you can just psyche up--there's something very mystical about it--like a story, it unfolds in time and has the potential to generate something that didn't exist before.
Whatever higher ideal that the world's religions and secular philosophies are shooting for... whatever is the quality in a person we try to describe with words like "enlightened", or "divine", or whatever, Mr. Black is closer to it than just about all of us. It doesn't even strike me as "rational". I think it's going to take me a long time to even begin to comprehend Mr. Black's story.
This reminded me of a piece on StoryCorps, a mother not only forgives her son's killer, but acts as a mother to him.
Most "emotional" stories come across as heavy-handed to me, but these two stories about forgiveness are really moving.
I am floored.
Mr. Black shows us real human emotion and the eventual forgiveness we all face at some point in our lives. Forgiveness is much more powerful than revenge or redemption. To forgive takes infinitely more strength and character. Thank you very much for this story.
This is the most powerful story I've ever heard on radio. You guys present such a strange premise, a father forgiving and bonding with his daughter's murderer with such remarkable empathy and skillful pacing. You feel the anger with Hector yet also understand his eventual compassion for the one that hurt him so.
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