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Monday, November 30, 2015 - 11:35 AM

(Photo Credit: Frankie Leon/Flickr)

Editor's Note:

In our podcast, The Cold War, we failed to correctly credit David Wolman and Julian Smith, who wrote and reported the article on which it was based. At the time we published this podcast, we had not properly determined the extent of their role in finding and developing this story. As a result, we have removed the episode from the Radiolab archive.  We did not feel a correction could rectify the problem and Radiolab honors its relationships with contributors too much to let the error remain.

We apologize to David and Julian.

 

 

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Comments [76]

peachy

I liked the story (and thought dennis was a jerk) but i don't think it was necessary to take it off the website. couldn't you have like, just added into the credits what you forgot? Grrr i am mad at you, radiolab.

Apr. 19 2016 06:25 PM
AaronMerrari from NYC

Listened on YouTube. Second-rate TAL indeed! Ya'll should just remove the whole page from the site. I have never been motivated enough to spend time commenting on an NPR story before, but this one really got me going! Now I'm FAR to the left (from Newark, NJ), but but strive to be objective, and the people that saw this as being about race or gender are as biased as Trumpers. One can't eliminate bias, but hell, make SOME attempt!!! I still have my ideals, but have come to accept how things actually ARE, the Realpolitik if you will; and the interloper was lucky Dennis is just this lame, idealistic white-boy (or more likely Jew), who isn't financially that tight. Most urban ethnic entrepreneurs would have done more than burn his truck, they would have HURT the man that was trying to "take food out of the mouths of their children". (Okay that is an exaggeration, but lowering the level of the college they could attend isn't-and even SIX ice cream trucks wouldn't cover a place like NYU.) It wouldn't be right, but that's how it is boys and girls (cis AND tg). We are primates, and those of our species with one Y-chromosome and more than say 400 picograms a deciliter of blood in testosterone have a strong tendency to be territorial, and violent in defense of territory-just like those with two X-chromosomes and less than 60 pg/DL of testosterone have a strong tendency to bond with good providers. We are more than animals, and I personally strive to rise above my animal nature, but a billion years of evolution is nothing to dismiss with an eye-roll. (Please pardon the cis/heterocentricity, but I am referring to the big bulges in the bell-curves for the species.) As far as the reverse of the original situation, the American would end up dead any place in Mexico attempting anything like the same behaviour. That doesn't make it right, but again, that's how it IS, and seriously something to think about...

Mar. 20 2016 10:58 PM
Tang

So a family starts off crossing the border illegally, and Efrain starts working. It's kind of important to the story if he ever legalized, or at least attempted to start the process. Skipping over that part directly relates to his working legally in the first place. As a kid, I was taught that there comes a time that you have to stop working "under the table" because it's not right to make a living, yet not pay taxes.
Aside from this being a, "This American Life" episode, it started off with a question that never got answered. His entry into the U.S. should have been edited out if it was going to be addressed.
Efrain MAY be legitimately in business, but it really doesn't sound like it. What if Dennis didn't pay taxes as part of his business either?
I'm all for small family run shops of all types, but I pay my share of taxes.
Race has a lot less to do with this than potentially crooked business practices. Dennis has employees and is a bit too big to not do things right. Efrain on the other hand, ignored the legal way to do things by arriving the way he did. Is he STILL ignoring the legal way to do things in order to work? If so, he is the one with the advantages.

Mar. 12 2016 09:55 AM
Alex from UK

It seems a huge shame to lose such a good episode to an issue of attribution that has apparently been solved. Surely a bit of light editing could have been done to make things more properly clear - then we listeners could benefit from the episode, and the properly credited original authors could be rewarded with the proper attention they deserve, rather than shutting off into the dark entirely.

Feb. 21 2016 05:48 PM
A Reader from Maryland

I heard this episode on youtube. It wasn't very good. I miss the science / bigger focus that earlier Radio Lab shows had. This sounds like a poorly developed This American Life episode. Please go back to science and leave slices of life to other shows.

Feb. 08 2016 01:21 PM
Samantha from San Francisco

interesting science podcast --> https://soundcloud.com/carrytheoneradio

Jan. 21 2016 06:48 PM

PLEASE, I beg, I cry, I urge you to bring more science stories! I am a Radiolab fanatic of the first degree - a living Radiolab jukebox, I have a Robert Krulwich picture on my wall, my friends painted me a Radiolab t shirt for my birthday which I glamorously flaunt in all my social media profile pictures because there is nothing that I identify more with than Radiolab, I force friends, family and strangers I meet on the train to listen to Radiolab, in fact at some point I even blackmailed my mother to listen to an episode or I won't talk to her, I send people emails with list of episodes to listen to.. BUT with a fair warning that the latest episodes are TOTALLY not in keeping with the quality of the old stories. Please guys, don't take my fix away from me..

Jan. 16 2016 05:59 AM

Wow, "Reiko from Seattle". I think you're the exact person PC Principal is parodying on South Park. I can't believe how stereotypical you sound.

The reality of this scenario is that Efraim went out of his way to bully Dennis's drivers. His excuse? "It's business." Yeah okay, use that excuse to justify acting like a jerk. What does the color of anyone's skin in this story have to do with that? Dennis is white, therefore he can't technically be treated unfairly? Because racism. Okay.

You pretty much admitted in your comment that racism is reserved for non-whites only. Such a hypocritical outlook. Does racism exist? Absolutely. Does it exist in this story? Nope. Stop projecting.

Jan. 15 2016 09:43 PM
Fredday1522

They still have the YouTube audio here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHRwKddpzSA

Jan. 15 2016 05:17 PM
Gonome

Hey! Where is the episode "The Cold War"?
Where can iI find it?

Jan. 12 2016 05:05 PM
AndrT from NYC

Can anyone tell me what the jazzy song is on the beginning of the show, around 2:15? Trying to figure it out and it's driving me crazy. I thought they would list the music in the episode on the website.
Halp plz.

Jan. 11 2016 05:17 PM
tom from Salem

I am furious you guys took this down!
SO unfair to the people who live in Salem. The one time ANYTHING comes to Salem and you take it down. Do you even know what its like growing up in Portlands shadow?
The least you could do is link to the article: http://epicmagazine.com/the-cold-war/

Radiolab please just put a redirect web link into the podcast post to force users to first acknowledge credit to the original authors before listening to the episode.

Jan. 09 2016 05:36 PM
Matt from Malaysia

Guys I thought I was the only one. But looking at comments it is very clear you have moved away from your roots. Think you best return to science, no more sports or rubbish stories about the way people feel!!! Boring

Dec. 23 2015 01:00 PM
Zoe from Canada

I didn't like this episode at all. All the players were easy to hate; Denis is whiny and entitled. Efraim is aggressive and rude. Listening to two grown men squabble and complain over ice cream trucks was only slightly less boring than silence on my walk to work.

Dec. 18 2015 12:26 PM
Robert from Detroit

Please put the "Lab" back in Radiolab, and go back to covering more science related stories! I loved so many of the earlier episodes from years ago, but have been kind of disapointed lately.

Dec. 17 2015 10:10 AM
Bonnie Lee from Vancouver, Canada

I've been a huge fan of Radio for years BECAUSE IT WAS SCIENCE focused. However, the show has shifted so far away from exploring storytelling in science that I am fast losing interest in the show.

Please reconnect with the science!

Dec. 16 2015 07:04 PM
Tori

I was halfway through listening to this and it was taken down!! I want to know what happens. Please put it back up.
Is there anywhere I can listen to the rest of this please?!? I feel thoroughly pissed off I didn't get to finish this!

Dec. 16 2015 02:41 PM
ella koltun

this was awesome i wish they didn't take it down.

Dec. 15 2015 06:38 PM
Aaron from Maine

This episode seemed like something from This American Life. I listen to RadioLab because of the science content. This story was a big departure from the classic episodes that always had me putting this show at the top of my playlist. Other recent stories make me think there's a shift toward off-beat journalism (telling the stories no one tells, except maybe TAL). Take "Smile My Ass" and "Birthstory". Granted, the latter is based on a procedure that requires high technology but the story is all about people and their relationships and there is little about it that is just science.

Have you folks taken the show in a new direction? Or are these stories just on the fringe of your core mission? When will you get back to the science?

Thanks for reading.

Dec. 15 2015 01:15 PM
David from Australia

I listen to Radiolab for the science. Please bring it back.

Leave this sort of fluff for This American Life.

Dec. 14 2015 06:51 PM
Steven

Hey radiolab, not sure if you're aware, but a half hour video of this episode is on the radiolab youtube channel. Thought it was weird that the episode was removed here but not on youtube.

Thanks

Dec. 12 2015 03:14 PM
Sean

I understand and respect your editorial corrections, having already listened to the former episode. I look forward to a definitive edition. Keep up the outstanding journalism, you're an essential contribution to thought provoking scientific, social, logical, ethical discourse!

Dec. 12 2015 05:36 AM
Ro

I give up. You don't care anyways.

Dec. 11 2015 08:51 PM
Alyssa from Charlotte, NC

Also half-way through the episode .. disappointed to not be able to hear the end, but I looked up the article by David Wolman and Julian Smith and found it here: http://epicmagazine.com/the-cold-war/.

Huge RadioLab fan - love you guys!

Dec. 10 2015 12:22 PM
Shawn from NYC

I read Dennis as a classic "dreamer", like the one's described by Ta Nehisi Coates who think they're white. He imagines an idealized, pure, and uncomplicated past embodied in the ice cream truck. This is the supreme whiteness of Ward and June Cleaver resurrected. Say it isn't.

When this purity is challenged by an immigrant with different ideas, Dennis loses his temper and resorts to violence. Dennis never fears the law while unleashing his hate because he is protected by white privilege. If Dennis didn't burn Efrain's car himself, he was certainly the benefactor of this violence. The immigrant in this story is the victim of a felony crime, yet gets no justice.

I agree with the comment that this story should be in a textbook about racism. Textbook! Not just for the narrative itself, but also because the producers remain ignorant of the racially privileged power dynamic at play in the story they tell. I mean, "defcon two [chuckles]" the immigrants car just burnt down.

I expected a lot more of Radio Lab and was not surprised to find that it has been removed from the website.

Dec. 10 2015 12:41 AM
Huxley Ford

Glad I'm not the only one that didn't get this one??

Dec. 09 2015 09:57 PM
A

This episode was Very boring. I kept waiting for the punchline and it never came. You guys are better at science journalism than anything else - stick to it, please!

Dec. 09 2015 08:40 AM
Carlos from Miami

The "Cold War" episode left me ... cold. My dad was a Cuban immigrant to the U.S. and a single-truck ice cream business is how he first recovered his identity as a businessman in this country. He later went on to open a literal mom-and-pop jewelry store in the 'hood that helped put me through college. The idea that the two character in this story are on equal footing — a bored, rich mortgage broker who started a fleet of ice cream trucks out of nostalgia vs. an immigrant who crossed the border and scraped enough together to buy a dilapidated truck to start a business — is laughable. And I hate that no one pointed out this disparity. Efraim is the 99 percent. Dennis is the entitled, self-aggrandizing one-percenter. How this is not a story about how the little guy got bullied is beyond me. These two are rivals in the way nail is a rival to hammer.

Dec. 08 2015 08:47 PM
Javier from Mexico

Hey guys, the story is gone, I was halfway through it! I need my fix! I'm kind of addicted to Radiolab!

Dec. 08 2015 08:11 PM
Deanna from Denver, CO

Hey Radiolab your video player isn't showing up on this post. I'd love to hear this story.

Dec. 08 2015 05:44 PM
Bankhead from Utah

I was halfway through and then it was gone! Please republish this story with the proper credit given. I really want to hear the rest of it.

Dec. 08 2015 05:25 PM
Ivan from South Dakota

Is this story available anywhere? I want to listen to it, but I'm feeling like I missed the boat here on this story.

Dec. 08 2015 04:55 PM
Josh from New Zealand

Does anyone have a copy of this story? I want to hear it

Dec. 08 2015 03:05 PM
Chloe from LA

@Reiko and @kareem,
I like completely agree with you on this story. There was nothing subtle or lost to the majority of us who are of rational mindsets. Efrain is completely in the wrong here. It's like obvious to me as a former cisgender male french canadian lumberjack now transgender 1920s flapper girl that he exemplifies the destructive laissez faire economic views of our oppressive patriarchal society. Don't get me wrong, I find his spicy latin machismo endearing like any other woman here but the moment he made that female ice cream driver cry everything should have stopped and her safe space secured. Frankly I am offended that the children drop their ice cream to stand up for her.
Excellent story as always Radiolab. One suggestion, actually a demand, I am extremely offended by that phallic imagery of patriotic push pop culture you are shoving down my throat. It's like what I imagine a Republican's who-who dilly might look like...short, cold, and getting smaller by the minute.
Kisses!
Chloe

Dec. 07 2015 04:59 PM
Mike from NC

This was an amazing story. The best I have heard in a while. I had to pause for laugh breaks numerous times. Race has nothing to do with the story. I'm not even sure if "Dennis" is described as a white man. Could be wrong.

Those commenters that turned this into a racial thing need to stop. Reiko from Seattle, you're a sad person. I know a little about you just from your ramblings...You are no doubt, a racist yourself. Let me guess, you find racism everywhere you go, right? You are just the type of person that keeps racism alive. You seem very hate filled. My advice is to get a job and a hobby (not pot smoking and protesting kind of hobbies). Possibly take some time out of your busy schedule of fighting "white supremacy" and enjoy Seattle. I hear its beautiful. I know its NPR but try to not let the overwhelming liberal agenda guide your life.

Dec. 07 2015 03:46 PM
Karen

Dennis is horrible. Horrible. Vile.

Such a jerk.

Dec. 06 2015 11:10 PM
Bharp from NC

This story and the comments that have followed should be work-shopped in a public race and immigration debate. I felt the undercurrent of racism, realized primarily in the storytelling and editing, and found it painful to digest. As baffling as my position is for some of you, I am at a loss to understand how one cannot recognize Dennis' position as problematic.

Dec. 06 2015 06:51 PM
Taylor from boston

I din't see how this story is worth being broadcasted by radiolab. It is such a departure from their regular type of story, not to mention the many angles of this story that were totally not discussed. The main one being that Efrain came to America illegality. Is he here legally now? Doesn't sound like he is. How is an illegal alien able to start a business in California? Did he even have a legitimate business license? America is the land of opportunity but it is also a land of laws and Efrain broke the law day one by entering the US illegally. Any businesses can't compete with anyone who don't follow the laws and cheat and it is clear that Dennis is hurt by this. It is not a leveled field. I am unclear where radiolab wanted to go with this story but to me it is a clear example how bad illegal immigration is for our country.

Dec. 06 2015 06:20 PM
Charles Mann from CA

Another disappointing non-science episode. I wish Radiolab would stop trying to make This American Life episodes.

Get back to the science, please!!!

Dec. 06 2015 05:27 PM

This story has NOTHING to do with racism, just decency: ask first, and you have a sharing situation. Invade, then act smug about it, and you shouldn't be surprised you've killed all good will. Efraim's actions were utterly indefensible. "There's more than enough to go around." Really? Then drive to any other part of town, if opportunity is so abundant. Efraim knew what he was doing. He's not a victim. Not of racism, nor White Man Mobsterism as so many have whined.

Dec. 06 2015 01:44 PM
jeff from Perry, WA

What's with the advertisements?! Isn't this supposed to be public radio?

Dec. 06 2015 01:42 PM
KT from Malaysia

@Ms_B
Um, what? Her gender in this story is irrelevant. This isn't about misogyny, it's about competing businesses.

Dec. 06 2015 08:21 AM
Eric from NYC

Nice episode. Why hate. Business should be competitive. That Dennis guy needs to go back to banking and get off his high horse.

Dec. 06 2015 01:44 AM
kareem from Seattle

I agree with Reiko!!!

Dec. 04 2015 09:45 PM
Reiko from Seattle

This story is a petri dish of institutional and interpersonal racism and thank god for this opportunity to publicly shame those white men. Racism is complex. Understanding internalized superiority is complicated and difficult, but guess what? It doesn't matter! People are figuring it out, and if you aren't, I guarantee you are on the wrong side of history.

1. The negative perceptions- in other words, the negative pre-judgements- in other words, the prejudice against Efrain's tone and intentions are internalized racial bias.
2. The use of the term "illegal alien" in the comments is dehumanizing and racist. If you wrote that, you are racist.
3. "Preserving old school Americana" does not establish it as the dominant business model or even as a best practice!? If "preserving old school Americana" fails to serve everyone in the community, then it makes sense to evolve the model to better meet community needs. The white men's critiques of Efrain's business are racist internalized superiority.
4. The idea of having "unspoken rules" about claiming ice cream truck turf is an example of the white men imposing their dominant culture on Efrain and villainizing him for having a differing opinion is white supremacist and racist.
5. White woman tears.
6. White knights to the rescue.
7. White men becoming infuriated because of... white entitlement.
8. The plot to ambush Efrain's business, placing four ice cream trucks against his one, is such a perfect metaphor of the power imbalance I'm not sure how this wasn't a canned example of racism written for an elementary school textbook.

Textbook. The racist behavior in this piece is so common and so predictable that it is textbook.

To the white men in this piece: Go find a book about racism and read about yourself. Do it for your kids. You don't want them to also be on the wrong side of such an embarrassing hateful criminal history.

Dec. 04 2015 09:26 PM

I feel bad for the harassed woman. Women are harassed daily just for leaving the house. We disserve to feel safe.

Dec. 04 2015 03:07 PM
hans

Ugh. People talking about how this is white supremacy and how a dude wanting to bring back ice cream trucks from his childhood is racist. Do you people just look for racism in everything? It's absurd. An illegal immigrant comes over and starts following a guys business around being a turd.

Dec. 04 2015 08:55 AM

This is a story about a man who wants to preserve a piece of "classic Americana" by keeping America white. There is such a clear undercurrent of racist sentiment to his motivation (and in many other comments here — wake up, Ephraim's story IS the American dream) that isn't enough addressed.

Dec. 04 2015 12:35 AM
Chris from Vancouver

Love your podcast as always radio lab. Not sure why all the hate; I found this episode entertaining and well produced.

I actually found myself a little upset listening to it. An illegal alien comes across the border, steals work, and then proceeds to begin malicious business practices deliberatley trying to hurt established businesses. Everytime Efrain (?) spoke I just had to clench my teeth. He sounded like a smug asshole and was clearly going out of his way to harm and disrupt Dennis in any way possible. He left a bad taste in my mouth, and sheds light on the larger issue of cutthroat business practices and illegal immigration.

And for the record, mint chocolate chip is the best ice cream flavour.

Dec. 03 2015 03:49 PM
JP

So many harsh comments on this one. I love that fact that Radiolab isn't all about science, because life is not all science. It keeps things interesting. It bothers me that this episode is about people making assumptions and not seeing eye to eye and people outside of this conflict seem to be picking sides in the comments!

I will say that additional details about the situation would be helpful to this story though.

Dec. 03 2015 10:43 AM
Jules from Syracuse

I think you guys are doing a great job - RadioLab is such a well produced, high quality show. Science or not - all your shows are interesting - I listen to them all the time at work! Thanks for all your hard work!

Dec. 03 2015 09:53 AM
Julia from U.S.

Radiolab, you used to bring beautiful science to the masses and were hands down the best audio production available. I ask honestly: what happened? "Translation," "CRISPR," even "Elements" we're great, but it feels like the passion has dissolved. There is a plethora of recent mind blowing scientific discoveries and stories from which to choose. I hope the Radiolab team finds their way back to bring the world science the way they used to.

Dec. 03 2015 02:22 AM
Nick from New Jersey

Why does the story imply that Efrain is in the USA illegally yet that fact is never raised by the storytellers or even by Dennis? Or was that detail edited out as it doesn't fit the liberal narrative? Dennis is suffering economically, as are millions of other Americans, because of the overwhelming influx of illegal immigrants. Yes, for the overwhelming part, these are good people are deserving of opportunities for a good life, just not in violation of our laws, and at the cost of diminished opportunities for American citizens & resident aliens.
The massive outflow of people from Central America relieves those nations of their responsibility to promote growth policies of their own which would allow those nations to prosper. The USA cannot be the home for every person around the world seeking a better life. Besides, the same liberals that want unfettered immigration often decry the USA. What they REALLY want is for the flood of newcomers to vote for liberal politicians so they can turn this nation into a socialist state. There upon, our nation's prosperity will diminish. The reason so many want to come here is because of our prosperity. When that prosperity fades, then what?

Dec. 03 2015 12:45 AM
John from Oregon

This is weird. I listened to this story because I thought it was weird that a "new" podcast would be anything I've heard before, but sure enough it was the same story. I even heard the original in audio form. I was thinking TAL was the source, but I'm drawing a blank.

I've definitely heard this exact story in an audio This-American-Life sort of form about the two competing ice-cream guys though, and it wasn't in the past month or so either.

...

Maybe I heard in the local NPR affiliate, circa September:
http://www.opb.org/radio/programs/thinkoutloud/segment/i-scream-you-scream-two-guys-scream-at-each-other-about-ice-cream/

Guess I'm just sad to see stories recycled.

Dec. 02 2015 05:03 PM
Jordan from Utah

Quick review:
- Everyone seems to be a jerk. Especially Dennis.
- This scope of this episode is incredibly underwhelming.
- The subject is boring

This episode reminds me of the mindnumbingly pointless "Lu vs. Soo" filler episode. For the love of all that is good, stop releasing filler episodes.

Dec. 02 2015 03:39 PM
life from usa

I got excited at the possiblities or the Cold War title. As an aeronautical engineer, I was ready for some cool tech stories like Skunk Words. instead, we got two guys fighting over bad icecream.

As my parents would have said, "I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed". Please refrain from "filler episodes".

Dec. 02 2015 02:14 PM
Andy from London

In line with a couple of other comments, this did make me think of the ice cream wars in Glasgow, though they were spurred by people using the vans as a front to sell drugs and stolen goods, and things got much more out of control.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_Ice_Cream_Wars

Dec. 02 2015 01:48 PM
Brent from WA State

This is what happens to quality when you start outsourcing the work. Radiolab used to offer thoughtful, insightful stories with a twist. What happened to Jad and Robert? Who is running this program now?

Dec. 02 2015 01:20 PM
John from USA

What a...stupid story.

Dec. 02 2015 12:21 PM
Kyle from Chicago

This story doesn't contain any of the substance that draws people to radiolab. It's like a subpar episode of This American Life. I miss the science and technology stories.

Dec. 02 2015 11:48 AM
badrul from NYC

Is this a rejected episode of This American Life (fake Ira Glass narrator voice and all)?

Dec. 02 2015 11:01 AM
Ed from Vermont

The guy is an Illegal. He said that he done not believe in borders. As long as it is working for the Illegal it is all good.

Dec. 02 2015 10:42 AM
will

dennis is a rascist mobster

Dec. 02 2015 02:13 AM
Brendan from London

1) isn't this a rip off of a story from north of England or Northern Ireland from the nineties?
2) how does this fulfill the requirements of your Sloan funding to promote science?

Dec. 01 2015 10:20 PM
Darrren

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8QZ7JQhNxU

We just made a film about a dude that has an ice cream truck last week!

Dec. 01 2015 07:09 PM
jones

Reminds me of the little-known Scottish film Comfort and Joy by Bill Forsyth (From the 80s, not to be confused with a Lifetime movie of the same name). During the holidays, a somewhat depressed radio announcer gets mixed up with feuding ice cream vendors. Subtle humor. Would recommend it, especially to the reporters/editors of this story!

Dec. 01 2015 06:51 PM
Dan from Cleveland

The story I heard was....
"Illegal immigrant comes to America and disrupts local business"

Dec. 01 2015 05:55 PM
Michael from Salem

Always weird to hear something on a national show about your home town.

I've bought ice cream from both of these guys and had NO idea any of this was going on. I'm even friends with the owner of the coffee shop where they had their meeting.

Between this and Silverton, I'm beginning to think RadioLab loves Oregon :)

Dec. 01 2015 05:26 PM
Jimmy from Louisville, KY

I'm conflicted by this story.

I run a mobile ice cream business here in Louisville, KY; it's called Tasty Tuxedo Treats. Our business model is different because we specialize in high end local products and we mostly do special events, which means the market we attract is totally different from your run- of- the- mill ice cream truck.

I can relate to Dennis's issue with Efrain's ice cream etiquette,though, as I would be fuming if a truck were to ever park beside our motorcycle (we sell out of a motorcycle). Even if our target market were different, the businessman in me sees the potential to lose a sale to be an issue.

According to many commenters here, I'm spewing off white privilege, and a pining for old days. But here's the thing: I'm a first generation Asian American and I definitely do not wish to revisit repressive America.

When Efrain speaks of making a life revolving around his truck- coming from a world of nothing- I get it. My parents went through the same thing just a few decades ago and I'm forever grateful for the adversity they went through.

Here's my question: at what point does an immigrant family 100% identify as American. Which generation gets to lay claim to it, if any? I'm pretty certain that I am not part of that generation, but I certainly have convictions that relate to those of Dennis' "white nostalgia".

Perhaps I am simply a product of a capitalist society bearing undertones of an immigrant story.

Dec. 01 2015 04:11 PM
Gunter from Overseas

It's really interesting and well crafted story...for TAL. Can we have science back, please?

Dec. 01 2015 03:53 PM
Stephen from Atlanta

I'm kind of surprised at the comments here accusing Dennis and his company of racism, white supremacy, etc. From the way the story was presented, it sounds like Efrain was simply following them around in their established selling spots and attempting to poach customers. That's an incredibly underhanded means of doing business. Of course, it doesn't justify Dennis's subsequent overreaction, but Efrain's persistent encroachment implies that he knew exactly what he was doing.

Dec. 01 2015 02:43 PM
Carol from Seattle

Whenever a bunch of white people talk about regaining what they had in their youth they're pretty much always talking about reestablishing white supremacy. This story is terrifying. This is the story I got from this piece: a man wants to make a living and spend some time with his family so he starts a business. A white guy who made his money on the backs of poor people needs a hobby. So he decides to take the idea of an ice cream truck and make it about Pleasantville. When his idea of "how ice cream should be" is threatened he shoots to kill. Reykjavik Summit? How about the Oslo Accords. I know things are very complicated and all I'm going on is this radio piece. I don't know these people but that's the way this story came off to me. It seemed pretty clear cut.

Dec. 01 2015 02:08 PM
Rebecca from Atlanta

Absolutely no sympathy for Dennis or his company. He had four+ ice cream trucks and threw a fit because Efrain (who was providing for a demographic that Dennis was ignoring) didn't see the point in pissing on territory.
"It's the way it should be" White men love their bloody nostalgia.
Wow, I'm so glad Dennis stepped off his high horse and said there was no need to fight //eyeroll//

Dec. 01 2015 01:45 PM
Erin from not Portland

Leave it to adults to turn something fun for kids into something full of hatred and egotism. Adults need to check themselves!

Dec. 01 2015 01:31 PM
Mochi from California

I feel so bad for the guy with the van. The 1950s ice cream guys were acting like mobsters. I think this story is about white "privilege ". " Its the way it should be." Says the guy with the classic ice cream. I wish we could donate to the guy who had his van destroyed. Then this underdog could paint it neon orange or do what ever he wants. Viva the ice cream revolution!

Dec. 01 2015 12:32 PM
frantz

Are you running out of interesting subjects or what?
Please work on CRISPR 2. That's the kind of fascinating stuff we want to hear.

Thanks

Frantz

Dec. 01 2015 09:21 AM

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