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(Photo Credit: Regan Choi)

Craig Childs, Regan Choi, and Dirk Vaughan used to spend months in the isolated backcountry of the Southwestern U.S. One day, they stumbled across a rare and ancient piece of pottery, in almost mint condition. That discovery led to an argument, and a decision, that has stayed with them for 11 years. When we got obsessed with the consequences of that choice, we cajoled them into going back to the place it went down, with producer Molly Webster in tow. What they found was not what anyone expected.

Guests:

Craig Childs, Regan Choi and Dirk Vaughan

Produced by:

Molly Webster

Comments [16]

michael from Arizona

Radiolab's jumpy, one-person-talking-over-the-next editing style makes me physically uncomfortable--I sometimes find myself actually grinding my teeth before I turn it off. Still I will occasionally try to listen, because the program tackles some intrigueing subject matter.

That was the case with "The Seed Jar". I've spent a fair amount of time in the world it attempts to illuminate in this segment. But … like … how much sloppy reportage masquerading as faux-hipness and annoyingly casual radioland banter do I have to endure to hear such a simple--and potentially powerful--story?

Like, for instance, when producer Molly Webster started to talk. I keep thinking, like, I'm not in the redrock of Utah, I'm in, like, a Starbuck's where, like, some high school sophomore sucking on her iced Aspartame-laced quadruple latte, starts telling me about the time she and some of her friends did something really cool: they went somewhere way gnarly in the desert. Really, they did. And it was like, truly cool. You'd never really go there, unless, like, you were doing a cool radio story. It was that cool. From the moment Molly unzipped her sleeping bag that morning, it was, like, these people are really cool. And when Craig Childs was, like, the seed jar is GONE, I was like, amazed. But after about the 25th time Molly was, like, totally inarticulate? So was I. try a llittle harder, Radiolab.

Jun. 07 2014 11:22 AM
L'eve it Alone from Ocatillo

This is the way the world ends, this is the way the world ends, not with a bang, but the immutable blessing of gravity. Gate gate, para gate, parasamgate, bodhi svaha: Gone, gone, gone to the Other Shore, attained the Other Shore having never left. I love being reminded of how tiny we are.

Jun. 06 2014 02:17 AM
Kevin McAleer

Have you thought about looking at historical aerial photos to confirm the date of the rock slide?

Jun. 05 2014 10:13 AM
sean from Cincinnati

Adore, Adore Radiolab. But "the seed Jar" was so bad it could be the funniest thing I have listened to in ages!. Stoners in painted deserts looking for seed pots..and RadioLab trying to string an emotional element to people who have not seen each other in 11 years....not their strongest work. The whole image of stoners wondering in a desert with a clearly out of shape Radiolab reporter was hillarious..a trainwreck so awesome to watch......yes I will be pilloried for this, but for the love of god..the flute playing, stoners, reporters from New York, hippy children left in canyons with James Franco....I was howling. Again this is the most brilliant show on Radio. Thanks Guys...

Jun. 05 2014 08:02 AM
Alan from Burbank, California

For me the ending of the story affirmed what my impulse would have been on finding the seed jar -- that it belonged in a museum from the moment they found it. The lesson I drew is that it takes human eyes and hands to imbue an object with value. To the forces of nature, a clay pot is just a lump of dust and ashes. It only has a story if we are there to tell it.

Jun. 04 2014 05:21 AM
Merry


I feel so much better now about how upset I became in a similar situation. I was working in the foothills of CA and found a mortar hole in a rock outcrop, which was common in that area, and then a pedestal, which wasn't. The pedestal was stuck a crack firm enough that I think it had been placed there. It the humanity of the placement that stopped me, I could see someone spending a long day grinding acorns, standing up and stretching before they moved on, and wedging it in the crack so it couldn't roll away. Maybe they’d never been there before, maybe they’d done that for years. Maybe they’d seen family member place that stone right there when little, and they did it without a thought.

And then they never came back.

When my coworker saw me staring he said “Hey, I bet that will fit in the hole!” and started to pick it up. I screamed at him louder then I should have. The pedestal was returned, but I was so mad at him for ending the moment.

Anyway great story, thank you.

Jun. 03 2014 06:12 PM
Esli from Eugene, Oregon

That ending with the people destroying their past was depressing.... Thanks radio Lab

Jun. 02 2014 07:16 PM
Bob Smith from South Carolina

Meant to add this in my earlier comment (which I think was on the main page, not on this one):

I wonder what would've happened if you guys had found the pot (which is basically the dilemma they faced the first time they encountered it.)

I'm guessing the first thing you would've done would be to try to retrieve it and bring it back to the lab to get a "scan" of it so you could create and sell replicas of it. And then what? Put the original in a museum, have the original group debate about who gets to keep it, try to put it back where it came from? At that point, it's already been "disturbed", so it can never really go back to how it was.

Maybe the landslide was the best possible outcome in this case after all.

Jun. 02 2014 05:16 PM
QuesterMark from 32° 45′ 26.49″ N, 97° 19′ 59.45″ W

When I first heard the story on the podcast this morning, I thought about ancient peoples geocaching. Since there'd be no GPS, that makes it more like letterboxing.

And when they guys decided NOT to touch it, I though, well, they won't ever see the log book. But there could be an important message in there left for people who would come later! And they didn't get it.

**Spoiler alert!**

And then when they found out they lost it, I thought, a secret will forever STAY secret now!

And then I thought, I wonder if the cliff collapsed the moment they made the decision to return to see if it was still there...

Jun. 02 2014 04:49 PM
Annie

I agree with Holly S. I think that the rockslide was the best outcome. I was nervous about them going back to the pot because each visit risked the possibility that someone else would find out about it.

Jun. 02 2014 03:36 PM

amazing story.

and if you haven't already, go read any of Childs' great books.

such a powerful storyteller and naturalist.

Jun. 02 2014 10:30 AM

I took the "almost killed one of our producers" part seriously until the end when I realized he was kidding. Wow! LOL

Jun. 01 2014 11:07 PM
JoeD from Utah

That was a powerful and thought provoking piece. On one level thinking of the initial dilemna whether to take the seed jar. That alone is subject for much discussion. Then to ponder the emotions upon discovering the jar had been consumed by nature itself. There is a lot of meat to that segment if one thinks about it. Well done, Radio Lab.

Jun. 01 2014 10:55 PM
NickMLK

Geez... Imagine how many little structures of humankind just blink in and out... and imagine who gets to see them!

Jun. 01 2014 12:53 AM

Is it horrible I loved the ending? The mountain takes the pot, and it stays part of its own story. Except I hate that they didn't show them with the kids again - what if they got scared? Or sunburns? Or bored (and thus likely to do stupid things)? Maybe my own children are just wimps.

May. 31 2014 10:05 PM
Rj Garn from nm

Totally absorbing! Wonderful broadcast...

May. 31 2014 08:28 PM

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